Read this article: [[First and Third World Ecosocialisms]].
Looks at some recent debate around ecosocialism. Specifically Matt Huber and Kai Heron. Finds merit and issue in both.
Pro with Huber: goal of appeal to the working class. Issue with Huber: usual problems with ecomodernism.
Pro with Heron: Anti-imperialism. Issue with Heron: Third Worldism, I think – i.e. the idea that working class in ‘First World’ are not part of an international proletariat.
https://spectrejournal.com/first-and-third-world-ecosocialisms/
@neil https://anagora.org/First+and+Third+World+Ecosocialisms
[[first and third world ecosocialisms]] – anagora.org
What’s his synthesis? Not 100% clear (to me), but seems to likes the appeal to the working class argument and the Green New Deal. Anti-imperialist, but finds Third Worldism unconstructive. Seems not enamoured with state and party form. Likes democracy in work and in community, base-building, networked protest. Evokes Rosa Luxemburg, William Morris, Gilets jaunes. So: seems for an ecology of organisational forms.
Sounds alright, assuming I’ve got it. Still, not much actually concrete in what you might actually *do* to bring about a transition.
@neil Well you know I’m alllll about the “ecology of organizational forms” bit, but any invocation of les gilets jaunes as a positive force always makes me a bit uncomfortable.
@adamgreenfield Interesting! Could you briefly say why if you have time? I know little of the fors and againsts associated with them.
@neil My sense is very much that a lot of what animated the #giletsjaunes was white populist ressentiment of technocrats, leavened by some romantic anticapitalism, and in any event tending rapidly toward Great Replacement-esque narratives and the usual antisemitic conspiracy tropes. Large movement, many voices, etc. etc., but that was the distinct impression I got from my visits to France in that time.
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@neil In American terms, anyway, the sentiments being expressed often felt closer to things I’d hear Tea Party people say than anything I’d associate with, say, Occupy. Hard to make accurate cross-cultural comparisons, of course, and I reemphasize that this is only my perception…but that is what I perceived.